"Why can't we get the World Ranger, it's the perfect size?"

"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips) 01/14/2018 at 11:06 • Filed to: None

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*Announced that we will get that Ranger*

“It’s too big! MEEEEEEEHHHHHH”

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:12

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“OMG, new trucks cost too much”

*goes buys a high trim fully optioned *

carcrasher88 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:14

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I quite like it. Now all we’ve gotta do is wait for the next Frontier, and we can finally have that Chevrolet, Ford, Honda, Nissan and Toyota showdown.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:15

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I’m really excited about the fact that all trims get the 2.3 ecoboost 10-speed combo.

Ford could’ve done a GM and only offered base models with a 2.5 boat anchor, but they didn’t!

Mercedes Streeter > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:15

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See also:

Internet: [Some sporty car] is/was a great car, bring it back to America!

Manufacturer: Your wish is my command.

Internet: *Car is debuted in America*. Cool, I’ll buy one 5-10 years from now on the used market.

See kids, this is why we can’t have nice things. If you ask for things but then not buy them, the manufacturer is more inclined to make generic cars that they know they’ll sell a ton of.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:16

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I don’t like trucks, thus my general opinion is not of use. I think it’s cool, but rather large

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > carcrasher88 01/14/2018 at 11:16

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I don’t mind the old Frontier sticking around. It’s not massive, & it’s not overly complicated.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:22

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Consider me in the minority that thinks the perfect sized Ranger was the previous one they sold in the US, not this new Hilux/Taco sized guy.

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > carcrasher88 01/14/2018 at 11:24

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We need a new Tacoma too, the current one doesn’t show it, but it needs a complete overhaul inside and out.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:27

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old colleague of mine has one (european spec) it isnt actually all that big... tho his is a 2 door longbed

that said.. the ones you pictured do look bulkier than ours....

or im imagining things again......

shop-teacher > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:27

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Yep. It was predictable.

DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:27

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I know some people who enjoy complaining about the fact that the new minitruck crowd is too big, so hopefully this will calm them down a bit.

I kinda like this thing, but I’m disappointed in what we’re getting in the way of engines. Hopefully a diesel is coming.

MM54 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:27

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I’m more bothered by there being no single cab available.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > MM54 01/14/2018 at 11:28

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No one buys single cabs in comparison to 4 door vehicles. That’s why Toyota dropped it.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/14/2018 at 11:28

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Honestly, this is the perfect engine for the truck.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/14/2018 at 11:29

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It’s the same size.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:31

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welp... ill blame that on me eye sight then.... still.. it really isnt all that big... least compared to new cars

Ash78, voting early and often > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 11:35

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Ford: “the small truck market is slowly dying, as Frontier and Tacoma sales continue their weakness despite a recent redesign and...wait Chevy has a new Colorado BUILD A RANGER RIGHT NOW!!!”

Pretty much the entire auto industry right now. It’s like a game of football with 27 players on each side so nobody can really tell what’s good, bad, or generally what the hell is going on.

XJDano > Mercedes Streeter 01/14/2018 at 11:38

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The begining of prime time to buy second year BRZ/86.

jimz > MM54 01/14/2018 at 11:42

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LOL.

in its last year of existence, I would put money on the bet that almost all of the north american single cab Rangers were white shortbeds with 4 cylinders, vinyl flooring, and shortly had the decals of a parts jobber, exterminator, or cable company on the doors. Zero profit fleet queens.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/14/2018 at 11:50

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If you weren’t a fan of nissans you would understand that holy crap those are awful and over 13 years old!!!

jimz > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/14/2018 at 11:57

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as I’ve pointed out in numerous past threads, the looks are deceiving. it admittedly is bulkier like every modern vehicle, but dimensionally it’s not way out of whack from the last gen PN150. I have a 2011 Ranger Sport 4x4 Supercab, and I’ve had mine side by side with a 2016 P375 Ranger. The new one was a couple of inches longer, about the same width, and a good bit (8 inches or so) taller. Plus, the bed sides and door sills are higher, and the P375 offers a double cab (crew cab) which the PN150 never did. Just so I can show I’m not blowing smoke (parked out in front of my place)

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The additional length is largely due to the need to fit a 5 cylinder in the new one, and the crew cab.

(edited to fix pics getting Kinja’d)

Nibbles > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 01/14/2018 at 12:23

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The Frontier is proof that stagnation occurs when competition is minimal

bhtooefr > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 12:26

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I personally would’ve liked to have seen a simpler engine more suited to small work truck duty, but then nobody’s buying these to use as work trucks - the Transit Connect has almost certainly taken over 90+% of the market for work truck Rangers, and it has the NA 2.5.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Nibbles 01/14/2018 at 12:28

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Very, very true. I would argue that truck was behind the time when it was released even though. Nissan has never been particularly good at being ahead except the Juke. I do like those.

fhrblig > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 12:36

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I saw via the press release that there will be a similar blue to what my old Ranger had, and I want it. Anyone know if they’re going to make a single cab, or just an extended cab? I don’t want a 4-door.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > fhrblig 01/14/2018 at 12:39

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No one buys single cab, so there will be no single cab.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > bhtooefr 01/14/2018 at 12:41

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Umm, the 2.3 Ecoboost isn’t any more complex than a lot of modern V6's. It just has a turbo, an old technology. This engine is pretty perfect for a small truck. Diesel like torque, but with horsepower.

LongbowMkII > jimz 01/14/2018 at 12:44

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Zero profit but tons of advantages when it comes to scaling.

Cé hé sin > MM54 01/14/2018 at 12:50

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They do make one, and I’ve seen at least one....but not being made for you.

fhrblig > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 12:55

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They sold a lot of single cab Rangers before.

MM54 > jimz 01/14/2018 at 12:56

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That’s exactly the sort of ranger I would want. A truck. For truck stuff. If I wanted to haul around a bunch of people I’d get a sedan, wagon, SUV, or literally any other vehicle meant for hauling people.

MM54 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 12:58

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All I know is that I can’t be the only one who has absolutely no use for a back seat in a truck, but I do have use for an 8-foot bed.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > fhrblig 01/14/2018 at 13:07

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To fleets, mostly. Toyota stopped selling single cabs for the same reason.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > MM54 01/14/2018 at 13:07

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You know what you can do with that back seat? Place your tools so they don’t get stolen.

jimz > MM54 01/14/2018 at 13:11

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That’s what F-150 is for. To the best of my knowledge you have never been able to get an 8’ bed on a Ranger.

MM54 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 13:19

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If I were a contractor sure (actually I’d probably have a van for tools, truck for materials), but as a homeowner I’m just running to and from the store, maybe towing something now and then.

bhtooefr > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 13:19

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Note that I referenced the NA 2.5 - the EcoBoost 2.3 is clearly more complex (and has more potential for issues) than that motor.

And, just because turbos are old tech doesn’t mean that they’re always reliable tech.

For that matter, what about efficiency? My guess is that this thing will be fine if you stay out of the boost, but if you actually work it, it’ll get into the boost and WHARRGARBL the fuel... but that gets into my point that people won’t work it, and the Transit Connect is the actual work truck.

MM54 > jimz 01/14/2018 at 13:20

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Which is why I’m probably going to buy an s10 before too long :)

bhtooefr > jimz 01/14/2018 at 13:44

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You could get a 7' regular cab, though - the design goal for the Ranger was that a 4'x8' sheet of plywood could fit on the wheel wells with the tailgate down, without hanging past the tailgate IIRC.

I wonder how many people actually bought that, though - the fleet specials were all 6' bed, after all, and the regular cabs were incredibly cramped (especially before 1998, but even then), so most of the non-fleet ones I see are extended cab, and therefore are also 6' bed. (Realistically, the extended cab isn’t for the back seat, it’s for front seat legroom and recline room, and lockable storage.)

As far as bed lengths on the ROW (using UK, but it should all be the same) Ranger...

Regular cab: 2317 mm/91.2"

Super Cab: 1847 mm/72.7"

Double Cab: 1549 mm/61.0"

To compare to the available lengths on the 2009 US Ranger (the last year that long-bed regular cab was available):

Regular cab 7' bed: 84.6"/2149 mm

Regular/SuperCab 6' bed: 72.7"/1847 mm

Basically, if you ignore the four-door, it’s the same size as the model that everyone outside of fleets actually bought.

Now, the fleets are buying Transit Connects, which in LWB cargo form fan take a 87.3" load on the floor, or 116.9" when you fold the front passenger seat down. And the 4'x8' sheet of plywood fits between the wheel wells, not on top of them.

fhrblig > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/14/2018 at 14:40

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They did sell a lot of them to fleets, but the owners of those fleets didn’t go anywhere. Also, in my neck of the woods lots of individuals bought the basic 2wd single cab of the last version, including me.

wafflesnfalafel > fhrblig 01/14/2018 at 15:41

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The margin isn’t big enough on those low end trucks... I absolutely loved my old standard cab hardbody Nissan and would get another- but they were cheap. Nissan would have to sell a handful of them to make as much as one loaded up crewcab 4x4... Same with the Ranger.

carcrasher88 > DaftRyosuke - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish! 01/14/2018 at 16:15

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True, but not as in need of it as the Nissan. At least Toyota has made efforts to update the Tacoma.

The V6 in the Frontier is based on a design that dates all the way back to 1994, and the I4 is based on one that dates back to 2000.

The TR family I4, including the one found in the Tacoma, is 4 years newer than the Frontier I4, and the V6, while in a family dating back to 2002, is the only Atkinson cycle engine in it’s class.

Of course, Ford, Chevrolet/GMC, and Honda have them both beat with more modern engines.

jimz > LongbowMkII 01/14/2018 at 21:51

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maybe for the old Ranger, since most of its tooling and investment was paid off during the Clinton administration.

I’m not joking. I can jump from my 2011 Ranger into a 1995 Ranger, and the interior is exactly the same.  

daender > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/15/2018 at 18:36

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Whenever Florence gets the new Ranger, we’re putting pop’s ‘01 XLT extended cab beside it for a size comparison.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > daender 01/15/2018 at 18:44

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It’s 3" wider and 8" longer in crew cab form.

daender > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/15/2018 at 19:00

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...Hmm, it may not fit in our small garage!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > daender 01/15/2018 at 19:32

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That’s not really substantial. My Dad’s Ram fit in a one car garage.